tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5906875144542272320.post5254017420152428099..comments2024-03-08T23:13:42.780-06:00Comments on Hockey Blog In Canada: Double-Dip TuesdayTeebzhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00538474727022437837noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5906875144542272320.post-87491960707002907052009-06-25T18:19:12.892-05:002009-06-25T18:19:12.892-05:00This is fantastic! Perhaps you could come up with...This is fantastic! Perhaps you could come up with a similar formula for forwards (might help in the pools).JBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5906875144542272320.post-80560434409253491732009-06-24T13:31:25.195-05:002009-06-24T13:31:25.195-05:00Explain to me how it is arbitrary when it takes go...Explain to me how it is arbitrary when it takes goals and assists that the player scored + their plus/minus stat (goals they are on the ice for) multiplied by the total amount of goals scored by the team divisible by the number of times he is on the ice multiplied by the number of times his team was scored on.<br /><br />Brian Campbell may have been worse offensively than those three defencemen, but his lack of production is reflected in his defensive play and his line's defensive play.<br /><br />And if it is just arbitrary, how do stolen bases and walks related to slugging percentage in Sabermetrics?<br /><br />Again, this provides a value based upon the player's PLAY, not his worth. Subjectively, Campbell may not have played as well as the other three, but the teammates around him played well and he was a part of that. Therefore, his value for last season, in which the 'Hawks were successful, is reflected by that.<br /><br />Again, it's not a scientific evaluation. It's a value based upon his play within his team's structure based upon his stats.<br /><br />And that's entirely what we're looking here: stats.Teebzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00538474727022437837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5906875144542272320.post-85940595689503496062009-06-24T11:50:35.568-05:002009-06-24T11:50:35.568-05:00That seems like you just tossed an arbitrary group...That seems like you just tossed an arbitrary group of stats together and called it a "value."<br /><br />Proof of this, is Brian Campbell, who was dreadfully below average for the Hawks this year is ranks above Shea Weber, Sheldon Souray and Andrei Markov.<br /><br />You're reasoning with this value is COMPLETELY flawed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5906875144542272320.post-80998263791801742472009-06-23T20:22:35.496-05:002009-06-23T20:22:35.496-05:00I fail to see how quality of the opposition would ...I fail to see how quality of the opposition would matter when the opposing team is looking for that matchup. If Campbell isn't playing against Ovechkin in Chicago, he would be in Washington.<br /><br />However, since a player like Duncan Keith would play against Ovechkin and his ranking was HIGHER than Campbell's ranking, my system already accounts for the discrepancy. Keith is paid to keep pucks out of the net, whereas Campbell is paid to generate offence. The results, as proven, make Keith more valuable as a defenceman than Campbell.Teebzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00538474727022437837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5906875144542272320.post-51071820846640761242009-06-23T19:13:58.522-05:002009-06-23T19:13:58.522-05:00The problem that I see with your statistic is that...The problem that I see with your statistic is that it doesn't take into account matchups within a game. Take, for example, Andrei Markov and Brian Campbell. Markov is usually out against the opposition's top line whereas Campbell wouldn't be. This will impact their defensive ratings. Brian Campbell may have a good rating according to your statistic, but the fact that he would rarely be playing against Crosby or Ovechkin whereas Markov would be has to be considered. <br /><br />I'm not sure how one would go about it, but in order for a more precise statistic you need some sort of 'quality of opposition' measure.windowmakernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5906875144542272320.post-64942515674808148502009-06-23T16:35:36.588-05:002009-06-23T16:35:36.588-05:00Found one! Thomas Pock of the NYR actually ranks l...Found one! Thomas Pock of the NYR actually ranks lower. His value of -0.777 was .018 lower than Witt. :o)Teebzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00538474727022437837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5906875144542272320.post-90645675857515543762009-06-23T16:27:52.666-05:002009-06-23T16:27:52.666-05:00Sorry, MetalChick. That's just how the puck bo...Sorry, MetalChick. That's just how the puck bounces when you're a league-low -34. I'm not saying he was the worst, just the worst of the examples I picked. I'm still looking for other players who were worse. ;o)Teebzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00538474727022437837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5906875144542272320.post-42565275159139101142009-06-23T15:25:43.309-05:002009-06-23T15:25:43.309-05:00"Brendan Witt, long considered the worst defe..."Brendan Witt, long considered the worst defenceman in the NHL this past season due to his lack of production and terrible plus/minus of -34, is valued at -0.759. In other words, he didn't have a very good year."<br /><br />No he did NOT have a good year at all but "worst defenseman in the NHL"???????????? He was in no way even the worst defenseman on his TEAM, let alone the NHL. Come on.TheMetalChickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06627766622392257867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5906875144542272320.post-74273901902917574942009-06-23T14:09:32.684-05:002009-06-23T14:09:32.684-05:00I'm printing this out, and will get back to yo...I'm printing this out, and will get back to you later, either with comments or email. Let's work together on this.FirstDerivativehttp://thephoenixpub.comnoreply@blogger.com